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Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Maracia - 09-07-2023
Name of Character: Viktor Reznov
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:170167974
Your Discord ID#: maracia.
Date of PK:Sep. 6
PK'ing staff: Oboshi
Reason for PK: Killed by cops
Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Cops were baiting for a PK
As I was standing outside the diner, three cops came up all nosy like to instigate, as seen in the clip below. After a bit of back and forth, one explicitly stated that "it would only be worse if they spat on us", Considering spitting on someone constitutes as an assault, it was obviously a trick in order for them to arrest someone. Someone proceeded to spit on them, leading to an attempted arrest. Being on company property and seeing they were attempting to unlawfully arrest an associate of mine, I opened fire, killing two officers and being killed by the third.
Yet somehow I am the one who gets PK'd, after an hour of the cops sitting on their ass doing nothing about it (gunfight occured 9:15 as seen by clip, got pk'd 10:15ish). In review, the cops came onto private property to investigate without a warrant, baited an assault charge to falsely arrest someone, then baited for a PK by instigating a gunfight.
It is entirely bullshit that gunfight PK rules apply to everyone but cops, which incentivizes them to go and instigate gunfights to PK people such as in this case, and it is good reason for this PK to be reverted as it is entirely baited.
You may not bait someone into a PK. This means that starting a confrontation in order to escalate it then use that as a reason to PK someone, this is not permitted.
It also states in the PK rules that Cop PKs do not apply if Cops were the ones to escalate the situation to a gunfight (as was the case), as stated here:
This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or escalated to a shootout.
Overall this PK breaks several of the PK rules and should be reverted, as I feel it is just the Cops being PK hungry and corrupt as usual.
If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1sQrbymS-6AI2-/d1337CziJdN1?invite=cr-MSx3N24sMTkxOTA1ODQ2LA
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Oboshi - 09-07-2023
Hi I was the admin that approved the PK! The reason you were PK'ed was using hostility towards the police officers then they counter acted and killed you in the process. With you pulling your gun out too shoot them you put the risk on your char too have a possibility to get PK'ed. Sadly it didn't go your way.
Retroactive PKs
These are possible scenarios which may validate you to be PK'ed retroactively. (Retroactive PK is when a request for pk is made after situation which no admin oversaw occurred)
■ Initiating a violent confrontation with Police Officers and being killed. (Conditions apply, read further down)
This next rule is a FearRP rule but helps you understand more about it
■ Breaking Fear RP while being detained by Police. If the police are detaining you for a crime and you break FEAR rp by pulling a weapon on them the NYPD are still within their right to react in self defense. This can and will be considered initiating a violent confrontation with police EVEN if you never managed to fire the weapon.
You did fire first in this situation which makes the PK valid.
Here is the cops POV
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1sQt5rrnnkdWjd/l851C2Kzs6JV?invite=cr-MSxIeHosOTcyODgwNSw
I wouldn't say the cops baited you too do this they were walking away then your friend spat on them. They were on public space so they couldn't be told too leave.
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Maracia - 09-07-2023
(09-07-2023, 04:01 AM)Oboshi Wrote: I wouldn't say the cops baited you too do thisI would argue that the cop had quite clearly baited the spitting to occur, as evidenced by my clip. The arrest had occurred within private property of the diner so I feel it's within that property's jurisdiction.
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - wirebat - 09-07-2023
you quoted this from the rules: "This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or escalated to a shootout." just to provide a clip of the complete opposite of this that shows YOU pulled ur weapon out first YOU shot first
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - EagleC29 - 09-07-2023
Hello, I am the Officer who submitted your PK to staff.
I and two other Officers (Leo Smith and Jeremy Sokol) were performing a standard patrol of the sewers and town and had just made our way toward your Diner. Officer Sokol said he wanted to see if they were open because he was hungry and wanted to get food. We walked into your parking lot to where we asked if you were open for business where we were told that you were closed at that time. From there I started to walk away and proceeded to wave at the people at the diner. Then the other two officers were just messing around inspecting the horse statue, and we were all asked to leave the property, me being the first to exit to the sidewalk. I had full intention of leaving, however, as a Probationary Officer, I was required to stay with the Officer. Verbal arguments ensued between those of you at the Diner and the other two officers. Yes, the other officer did say that the only thing worse would be if you all spit on us, where one of your associates I suppose proceeded to do so after the statement was made (all can be seen in your clip). Your associate had full capacity to not spit on the officer, which is considered to be battery, but did so anyways, resulting in Probationary Officer Leo Smith tasing him (warranted or not, that's an IA issue), and proceeding to try and cuff him, where you then decided to open fire on us (the officers). You then managed to kill both the arresting officer and the other officer next to him, leaving me to return fire and kill you. After this situation occurred, I waited there for the SGT online to come by, Everything was cleared up and I returned to headquarters to go clip the situation and make a PK ticket with staff. I made this ticket within minutes or so of the situation occurring, with no staff response (no admins were on at the time and only admins can do PKs), and then made another one sometime later. It was then taken resulting in the sit about an hour after the initial gunfight and a ticket was made, where the result was you being PKd.
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Maracia - 09-07-2023
All I'm asking is for a little leniency since it's a murky situation that lies on the cusp of the liberties of both parties. While taking a one on three gunfight was a little ballsy, it also stands to reason that police should not abuse their power to cause problems. Those problems can evolve into disagreements into arrests which can unfortunately evolve into gunfights, which unfortunately seem to only impact civilians according to the rules.
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - wirebat - 09-07-2023
how is this a murky situation? the rules are if you initiate a gunfight with the cops and die, you are subject to a PK. This the EXACT situation you found yourself in.
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Maracia - 09-07-2023
(09-07-2023, 04:17 AM)wirebat Wrote: how is this a murky situation? the rules are if you initiate a gunfight with the cops and die, you are subject to a PK. This the EXACT situation you found yourself in.How are you involved in this situation again?
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - wirebat - 09-07-2023
im not involved im just trying to help you understand how this a pretty clear/valid PK, and im just trying to help you understand how to avoid something like this again in the future
RE: Viktor Reznov PK Appeal - Maracia - 09-07-2023
Still, I don't exactly agree with how the police can act with impunity and get away with it while civilians need to get 15,000 dollars for the privilege of having a gun, get it processed, and then finally grind the money to get a gun and then God forbid you use it on the wrong person and you have to do all that over again. It isn't intuitive to keeping new players around.
Like I really enjoy playing on this server, but I really would prefer not to have to grind all that back up again.