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RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - RevampedRebel - 11-20-2022
The hit was ordered after walker and I had an ooc argument about me defending Thomas Cessina on an alternate character. Literally using an ooc reason to justify an ic pk. I paid my dues and did everything I was told to do and randomly got pked. He couldn't find a single reason to pk me so he resorts to making one up. It's sad when people can't separate ic and ooc but to my understanding if it's different characters the actions between them shouldn't affect one another. My other character is a lawyer who defended a case for a character who has since been deleted. I have never had an IC interaction with walker. Why would one reasonably order a hit when no reason can be articulated but one that is made up?
https://prnt.sc/KidmkKeLqibJ
Literally doesnt satisfy a single point of this list. Not one. Not even remotely close.
(11-20-2022, 05:35 AM)Walker Wrote:(11-20-2022, 02:26 AM)RevampedRebel Wrote: At this point if the appeal is accepted and upper management oocly just dont want to deal with me in the family I'm perfectly willing to part ways cleanly but I feel that there's no IC justification behind the PK. I've paid my dues and then some. I've been trying to help keep the silver tongue open when I can with manning the door and running the bar. I've been moving a ton of product. I simply don't know why they would go from nothing to a PK. It'd be sad to go from the family as I've made some good friends in there and feel like I clicked well with my colleagues.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
The reason given for the PK was that kick-ups have not been paid. There is evidence that I paid each one and actually overpaid yet your argument doesn't change. Is it because kick-ups are not in fact the reason for the PK? If so can an IC reason be given? Dying is part of the game and I fully accept that but normally a sequence of events transpires to make this happen in one way or another. I keep looking at the list of valid reasons for PK and simply cannot find one that would even scrape close to how it transpired for me. Diavolo and Smiles do not appear to be denying that I in fact paid the money.
RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - Piero - 11-20-2022
First off. You joined our faction on the 4th of November and were told every set of rules and when everything was due and even introduced to your direct command member. A week passes kick-ups were collected and your first week is non existent. Not logged, no one knows about them, nothing. So your order was written for you as Anthony Yablonski on the 12th of November. This week your name was changed to Anthony Bruno so no one knew that you were Anthony Yablonski. Without the knowledge of this Smiles (Your IC Father) collected 50k from you this week instead of whacking you forgetting that you were even Anthony Yablonski. (Screenshot provided in the imgur)
[color=var(--text-link)]https://imgur.com/a/cHDwZWg[/color]
RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - RevampedRebel - 11-20-2022
So that being said since it's clearly an error why are you adamant that the pk sticks? You acknowledge I paid under a different last name. I made it widely known that my name changed. Seems like intentional ignorance to me because i even had tags on discord with the family name. Walker wanted to talk in game but our schedules didn't line up for it there were logs to verify this that I'm sure got deleted when you banned me without saying a word. It was no secret and I was always in touch with my capo and fellow associates so it's not like i was a nameless nobody that nobody knew.
It's also not as if you didn't know my discord either since you promptly banned me too all before I got back to my pc. You didn't talk to anyone not my capo or my crew's made men or anything. I'd still wager to say that this was for the original reason I alleged as a result of how you guys are dealing with this. Took my money, said I didn't pay.
Diavolo collected my first payment of 50k (greater than the 45k owed) on either the 11th or 12th. He took it in cash in game face to face in the silver tongue office. You acknowledge smiles took my second payment of 50k (again greater than I owed). I did not owe kicks on the 4th as I had joined as an associate that day. Where is the allegation of missing money at? Is anyone saying I did not pay?
RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - Walker - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 12:47 PM)RevampedRebel Wrote: The hit was ordered after walker and I had an ooc argument about me defending Thomas Cessina on an alternate character. Literally using an ooc reason to justify an ic pk. I paid my dues and did everything I was told to do and randomly got pked. He couldn't find a single reason to pk me so he resorts to making one up. It's sad when people can't separate ic and ooc but to my understanding if it's different characters the actions between them shouldn't affect one another. My other character is a lawyer who defended a case for a character who has since been deleted. I have never had an IC interaction with walker. Why would one reasonably order a hit when no reason can be articulated but one that is made up?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
https://prnt.sc/KidmkKeLqibJ
Literally doesnt satisfy a single point of this list. Not one. Not even remotely close.
(11-20-2022, 05:35 AM)Walker Wrote:(11-20-2022, 02:26 AM)RevampedRebel Wrote: At this point if the appeal is accepted and upper management oocly just dont want to deal with me in the family I'm perfectly willing to part ways cleanly but I feel that there's no IC justification behind the PK. I've paid my dues and then some. I've been trying to help keep the silver tongue open when I can with manning the door and running the bar. I've been moving a ton of product. I simply don't know why they would go from nothing to a PK. It'd be sad to go from the family as I've made some good friends in there and feel like I clicked well with my colleagues.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
The reason given for the PK was that kick-ups have not been paid. There is evidence that I paid each one and actually overpaid yet your argument doesn't change. Is it because kick-ups are not in fact the reason for the PK? If so can an IC reason be given? Dying is part of the game and I fully accept that but normally a sequence of events transpires to make this happen in one way or another. I keep looking at the list of valid reasons for PK and simply cannot find one that would even scrape close to how it transpired for me. Diavolo and Smiles do not appear to be denying that I in fact paid the money.
RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - RevampedRebel - 11-20-2022
(11-20-2022, 05:20 PM)Walker Wrote:(11-20-2022, 12:47 PM)RevampedRebel Wrote: The hit was ordered after walker and I had an ooc argument about me defending Thomas Cessina on an alternate character. Literally using an ooc reason to justify an ic pk. I paid my dues and did everything I was told to do and randomly got pked. He couldn't find a single reason to pk me so he resorts to making one up. It's sad when people can't separate ic and ooc but to my understanding if it's different characters the actions between them shouldn't affect one another. My other character is a lawyer who defended a case for a character who has since been deleted. I have never had an IC interaction with walker. Why would one reasonably order a hit when no reason can be articulated but one that is made up?https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
https://prnt.sc/KidmkKeLqibJ
Literally doesnt satisfy a single point of this list. Not one. Not even remotely close.
(11-20-2022, 05:35 AM)Walker Wrote:(11-20-2022, 02:26 AM)RevampedRebel Wrote: At this point if the appeal is accepted and upper management oocly just dont want to deal with me in the family I'm perfectly willing to part ways cleanly but I feel that there's no IC justification behind the PK. I've paid my dues and then some. I've been trying to help keep the silver tongue open when I can with manning the door and running the bar. I've been moving a ton of product. I simply don't know why they would go from nothing to a PK. It'd be sad to go from the family as I've made some good friends in there and feel like I clicked well with my colleagues.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
The reason given for the PK was that kick-ups have not been paid. There is evidence that I paid each one and actually overpaid yet your argument doesn't change. Is it because kick-ups are not in fact the reason for the PK? If so can an IC reason be given? Dying is part of the game and I fully accept that but normally a sequence of events transpires to make this happen in one way or another. I keep looking at the list of valid reasons for PK and simply cannot find one that would even scrape close to how it transpired for me. Diavolo and Smiles do not appear to be denying that I in fact paid the money.
That implies there is a reason. What is the reason? Is there one? Bc the one you gave the admin was false so...
If staff could weigh in on this please as well as it is very confusing with the two drastically conflicting standards.
This
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1043595679911657562/1043960484795269241/Screenshot_20221120_134549_Chrome.jpg
Or this
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1040699112976285706/1043018993360961637/image.png
Because looking at the publicly available server rules versus a dm screenshot by pendred it is unclear what rules are in effect on the server.
RE: Anthony Bruno's Appeal - RevampedRebel - 11-20-2022
Also I'd like to restate that I'd be perfectly willing to break cleanly from the family if both the appeal is accepted and if the family's upper management were to no longer want me to be a part of the organization on an OOC level. I'm not looking to draw this out further than it has to be but I put way too much time and effort into the character's progress and development to die in a way such as this. I would totally understand if there was an IC reason of some sort to kill the character off but there simply isn't. Many of my fellow associates feel the pk is unjust but also fear repercussions of speaking out about it on an ooc level.
Anthony Bruno's Appeal - Hue - 11-20-2022
You were PK'd for missing kickup the week before your PK. The hit was ordered a day after you missed kickup, it was simply carried out at a later date.
Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.
We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.
You may not re-appeal this PK.