(09-01-2023, 03:10 PM)Rem Wrote: You're a clown if you don't think a permanent ban is valid.

(09-01-2023, 12:21 PM)Chimney Wrote: ● Examples: Knowingly and intentionally selling drugs on territory you have claimed. You have to establish that they are knowingly doing it, if they did not know then you may assault them or threaten them, but if it is both knowingly and intentional then you have a valid reason. (Murder should be a last resort, often threats or firebombs send much more effective messages. Killing a made man can start a war.)
■ The person in question, must have repeatedly done something to directly harm you, your family, or another member of your family OR unwarranted harm in a financial (+7,500$) or SEVERE physical way, there has to be tangible damages, disrespect is not a reason to kill someone. This also means you cannot PK someone JUST for being part of an enemy faction. Having continued gunfights, scams or warnings about territory, money or other continued violent disputes can cause escalation to a PK. (Be sure to record all encounters/transgressions)

The PK rules make a loose mention of claimed territory and it has been enough to provoke wars in the past (e.g. Davis Boys being taxed for being in Lucchese territory ending in a literal RDM war), even though he was not ordered to fire at people entering an area, we have knowingly established a claim over. (and their aggression against it, as the clip clearly shows them instantly disregarding a rule that was commonly made known to all the factions involved) They entered the street with guns raised and looking for conflict the moment they got there as they had previously been gathering together around Pharmacy which we were informed of. Using this information he decided to fire at the people who were knowingly trying to cause war and I don't necessarily blame him for doing so in the context of the RP. There is obviously blame that falls on him for not waiting for things to escalate from their side before opening fire but I don't think a perma is necessarily valid. He has plenty of POs but a lot of them are from over a year ago, the most recent one having been shortened by a huge amount due to the staff member actually listening to him. I don't think there was any ill intent from his side as he believed he was doing what was allowed within the rules and it was a mistake on his part, however being banned permanently for a mistake seems a little excessive. At the end of the day no one was harmed permanently, guns were lost and people got angry but when metagame, a much more harmful act for the server, often nets you bans of 3-14 days I don't think it's necessarily fair. After the fact barely anyone made an RDM ticket as you can see from my own clip posted there, a majority went in knowing they'd have a fight, hence the guns and were not surprised when they died. Honestly just think it's a shame to lose a veteran of the community and decent RPer over RDM.