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RE: Flanigan App - Michael Flanagan - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 09:09 PM)Verax Wrote: The history of this crime group has been very controversial, mainly due to the player reports against their don, Michael Flanagan, for minging (and abusing his alt judge character to harass cops) in which he received several warnings and bans. While Flanagans did hold a level of power in the server, there has been universal disdain for Flanagans for their methods on how they interact with staff and the player base (Chriss O'Connor is one prime example). When Flanagans ended, Grant and Michael gave up millions of dollars to leave for UGS. Regardless, I recall specifically Grant stating he will never return to Diverge as he finds it no longer fun, and Michael (Ghasts) stating he will not return to the server unless there is a money wipe. (Diverge's quality has improved over the year, and a money wipe never happened)
So what standard of behavior should be tolerated for faction leaders in Diverge? As I write about this, I am not focusing on the history of success or failures of Flanagan's faction, I am focusing solely on the quality of character that we should hold Faction Leaders too and the standard we hold them too as Grant applies for this. We must look at the standard of quality because toxic Faction Leaders can lead to the server RP quality dropping.
First regarding Grant's character, I have no doubt he can lead a faction, as he has done it before, but his character qualities does not suit the nature of what Diverge's quality of faction leaders should aspire too. Grant currently is a Senior Admin and apart of Roleplay Management of Vulkan Networks (formerly Head Gamemaster for a short time): https://gyazo.com/d1e1314430d7be11c41e2f38190534c3, and was formerly apart of UGS leadership. As Grant left UGS, he openly admitted in his second PK character denial ticket (after already being denied his PK once by UA) that he nuked all the documents for UGS after leaving: https://gyazo.com/c2b83eb1a4b800c27fcc86c031f1a6e4
This is already one example of toxic behavior of an unstable individual that cannot be trusted to maintain basic documentations, let alone for a faction he is leading. If Grant gets angry, will he leave his faction in the dust and delete all of their documentation? When Grant moved over to UGS, he supported Audrey in attempting to subvert Diverge's policy of removing factions that decide to make a faction on different servers: https://gyazo.com/18b54ee36080e7e138032a6b18b49b12
As Grant states after Audrey attempts to use the "Audrey's Friend Role," Grant responds with "This is smart." Grant does not have the best interest in supporting Diverge Networks and supported the ruination of our community. It does not matter whether or not Grant wants to play either server, it is a problem to approve a faction application to an unstable individual who has no interest in supporting our community and playing with others here. Grant rather seeks to destroy those around him for his own personal ego, and cannot be trusted because he already did it for Vulkan Networks.
This was evidently clear when Grant attempted two times to appeal his Jake Grant character after I have already settled the matter of his PK with staff and the courts a year ago, and attempted to evade going to court for months in his ticket so he can keep his character, and to this very day, Grant still lies that his character is still alive to his close friends because he cannot handle his ego of losing his main character: https://gyazo.com/ed8e7092ad4904ff68ecc3070911c858
Even when Grant/Flanagan ran the NYC government, it was a colossal failure that ended up with the government getting nothing done and Grant ending his term.
The importance of being a faction leader is to create fun, controversial RP with other factions in a fair manner that respects the rules and the community. I fail to see how Grant has done any of those things to make him competent to ever lead a faction again, let alone the Flanagans after they ran to two other failed servers. The only reason why this app is made, is because UGS and Vulkan failed to make a server that was fun for Grant and Ghasts, while all of the faction leaders and players on our server (Diverge) have put in time, money, and hours of effort to build their factions in a manner that respects Diverge's rules and staff.
So why would it be acceptable to approve a faction application to a doc nuking egotistical community trasher that has no interest in the betterment of our community? If you don't see it too, then you have came to the same conclusion as I have.
-1: Due to Grant and the Flanagan group failing to meet the basic standards of quality player expectations to run a faction on Diverge Networks.
ok 1. i didnt abuse my judge character once, i feel abusing another character is dumb.
2 i have only been banned once for bunny hopping and that is it. and you can look at my warnings there is like maybe 1 or 2 that is it.
3. i said i would return if there was a map change or a money wipe. new server was not expected and a good move.
4. Grant is not leading the faction, he is just regular member in the faction I just asked him to do our application cus he offered.
5. stop generalising flanagans due to individuals, chriss oconnor is not even in the faction any more, he was removed for his actions.
6. The Flanagan Crime family created some of the biggest events to happen in Diverge such as some of the wars, events we did just as a faction we legit owned 60% of the economy, ran the government owned the top buildngs and developed alongside the cartels the strongest commission and we paved the way for other factions to be made due to players learning how to lead and make their way through mafia RP in the flanagan crime family to go on to be great faction leaders, such as clover the sanzensekai boss.
RE: Flanigan App - V1KING - 03-28-2022
+1
Being an ex member I loved this faction. Why not let them come back they were a big part of the server.
RE: Flanigan App - Michael Flanagan - 03-28-2022
also on the subject of time put into the server and creating fun for players. Flanagans was one of the largest groups with the most members. I also had when i was playing diverge the most play time on the server (i think) than everyone else, i remember checking it and noone else had more than me at the time from what i could find
RE: Flanigan App - Grant - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 09:09 PM)Verax Wrote: The history of this crime group has been very controversial, mainly due to the player reports against their don, Michael Flanagan, for minging (and abusing his alt judge character to harass cops) in which he received several warnings and bans. While Flanagans did hold a level of power in the server, there has been universal disdain for Flanagans for their methods on how they interact with staff and the player base (Chriss O'Connor is one prime example). When Flanagans ended, Grant and Michael gave up millions of dollars to leave for UGS. Regardless, I recall specifically Grant stating he will never return to Diverge as he finds it no longer fun, and Michael (Ghasts) stating he will not return to the server unless there is a money wipe. (Diverge's quality has improved over the year, and a money wipe never happened)Idk what any of this has to do with the application. Sure I'm a group member, Ghasts is a friend of mine. I also like Michael never let for a new server. Audrey a friend of mine asked me to help out on there around a month after I stopped playing diverge. Playing this server felt like playing GTA online completed, but that's to be expected for someone who played since launch. I made this app as a quick favour for a friend. I don't think anything I have done, should affect Ghasts app. Ghasts is the most experienced man around imo
So what standard of behavior should be tolerated for faction leaders in Diverge? As I write about this, I am not focusing on the history of success or failures of Flanagan's faction, I am focusing solely on the quality of character that we should hold Faction Leaders too and the standard we hold them too as Grant applies for this. We must look at the standard of quality because toxic Faction Leaders can lead to the server RP quality dropping.
First regarding Grant's character, I have no doubt he can lead a faction, as he has done it before, but his character qualities does not suit the nature of what Diverge's quality of faction leaders should aspire too. Grant currently is a Senior Admin and apart of Roleplay Management of Vulkan Networks (formerly Head Gamemaster for a short time): https://gyazo.com/d1e1314430d7be11c41e2f38190534c3, and was formerly apart of UGS leadership. As Grant left UGS, he openly admitted in his second PK character denial ticket (after already being denied his PK once by UA) that he nuked all the documents for UGS after leaving: https://gyazo.com/c2b83eb1a4b800c27fcc86c031f1a6e4
This is already one example of toxic behavior of an unstable individual that cannot be trusted to maintain basic documentations, let alone for a faction he is leading. If Grant gets angry, will he leave his faction in the dust and delete all of their documentation? When Grant moved over to UGS, he supported Audrey in attempting to subvert Diverge's policy of removing factions that decide to make a faction on different servers: https://gyazo.com/18b54ee36080e7e138032a6b18b49b12
As Grant states after Audrey attempts to use the "Audrey's Friend Role," Grant responds with "This is smart." Grant does not have the best interest in supporting Diverge Networks and supported the ruination of our community. It does not matter whether or not Grant wants to play either server, it is a problem to approve a faction application to an unstable individual who has no interest in supporting our community and playing with others here. Grant rather seeks to destroy those around him for his own personal ego, and cannot be trusted because he already did it for Vulkan Networks.
This was evidently clear when Grant attempted two times to appeal his Jake Grant character after I have already settled the matter of his PK with staff and the courts a year ago, and attempted to evade going to court for months in his ticket so he can keep his character, and to this very day, Grant still lies that his character is still alive to his close friends because he cannot handle his ego of losing his main character: https://gyazo.com/ed8e7092ad4904ff68ecc3070911c858
Even when Grant/Flanagan ran the NYC government, it was a colossal failure that ended up with the government getting nothing done and Grant ending his term.
The importance of being a faction leader is to create fun, controversial RP with other factions in a fair manner that respects the rules and the community. I fail to see how Grant has done any of those things to make him competent to ever lead a faction again, let alone the Flanagans after they ran to two other failed servers. The only reason why this app is made, is because UGS and Vulkan failed to make a server that was fun for Grant and Ghasts, while all of the faction leaders and players on our server (Diverge) have put in time, money, and hours of effort to build their factions in a manner that respects Diverge's rules and staff.
So why would it be acceptable to approve a faction application to a doc nuking egotistical community trasher that has no interest in the betterment of our community? If you don't see it too, then you have came to the same conclusion as I have.
-1: Due to Grant and the Flanagan group failing to meet the basic standards of quality player expectations to run a faction on Diverge Networks. Regardless if Grant is leading this group, he is still apart of the process as he posted this application.
RE: Flanigan App - Verax - 03-28-2022
Why come back if neither of you have a vested interest and are willing to give it all up? (Romullus Jr is Grant)
https://gyazo.com/d3ea7de26c4e680e07e90d40527f00ed
RE: Flanigan App - Michael Flanagan - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 09:57 PM)Verax Wrote: Why come back if neither of you have a vested interest and are willing to give it all up?
https://gyazo.com/d3ea7de26c4e680e07e90d40527f00ed
The only interest I have is in my faction. If my guys want to play on here i will try and make it so, and ill make sure flanagans is back to where it was before we left.
RE: Flanigan App - Xosad - 03-28-2022
(03-28-2022, 09:57 PM)Verax Wrote: Why come back if neither of you have a vested interest and are willing to give it all up?Lad, whilst people on diverge have said your great in the community, you seem to have a very biased and toxic opinion on Grant. (A guy who's literally nobody in the Flanagan faction btw) It's affecting your reasoning my guy, anyway you didn't actually make any points as to why Flanagans shouldn't be a faction you just attacked a former member of the community. When you actually write some valid points I'm sure the Flanagans will actually take your crazy 821 word essay seriously. Have a good day!
https://gyazo.com/d3ea7de26c4e680e07e90d40527f00ed
RE: Flanigan App - Irn Bru - 03-28-2022
Massive -1
The Flanagans have an undisputed reputation for being extremely toxic and undesirable to play with within our player base. Whilst this is just a game at the end of the day, their actions can have a severe impact on peoples mental health irl. I have personally been a victim of their abuse and personally seen them target people like Rem when they don’t get their own way. This server is not just a game to them, their preferred way to win an argument is to target their chosen victim personally with personal insults about them irl in order to win. They are the literal definition of Toxic, and have embarrassed themselves by making this faction application by crawling back to diverge.
We can not be encouraging this type of behaviour within the community by accepting this faction application.
RE: Flanigan App - Romullus - 03-29-2022
At the end of the day it will be up to UA to decide if they will accept a faction based on this:
- The content of the server after your faction's departure
- You stating that its more about your faction compared to you wanting to be on diverge
- A clear bad reputation, not in terms of IC but in terms of OOC conduct (How your faction reacts to staff decision, How certain people in your organisation dont seem to care about the succes of this community, etc)
- A list of other new factions with committed faction leaders who dont have any good/bad past
That being said you are 100% right to claim that a certain amount of people (wtv the amount) dont represent the faction as a whole but you aren't in the position to say if UA should/should'nt ignore such claims.
Neutral
RE: Flanigan App - TheIrishman - 03-29-2022
Neutral - I don't have enough information about this app to have feelings either which way.