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RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - TGKilo - 04-12-2021
Sudo, you are actively defending rule-breaking. No matter how it is phrased, the rules prevent the FBI from being corrupt for the rules themselves say that they have gone through extensive training and are disciplined by federal enforcement, meaning they wouldn't quite go rogue and commit a felony. It even specifies "they are meant to be noncorrupt agents of the state", and any justification allowing them to condone corrupt acts should be classified as irrelevant due to you finding loopholes within the wording. The FBI agent broke a rule thus this should be voided
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RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - Michael Mikvik - 04-12-2021
What the fuck.
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - Fitz - 04-12-2021
(04-12-2021, 01:57 PM)DarmanTheGuy Wrote: Yeah so 1 way mikvik can legit Pk anyone useing BS reasons and abusing the fact this is the chairman of the comission(not voted on btw) he has muder inc in his pocket MEANING if he gives a BS reason and pays Murder inc money to kill someone, the only thing that matters and happens all the time for PK Reason is "Got paid to PK this person" and thats all murder inc needs. with that being said you could make up BS reason like "Threat to my power" or "killed a made guy" and legit PK anyone
And that is only 1 example of how mikvik cheeses the system
Nice accusation but can you prove it, as well this is not important to this situation.
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - DarmanTheGuy - 04-12-2021
(04-12-2021, 01:11 PM)Fitz Wrote: To be honest, killing off a really important member of the server shouldn't rely on just one person to decide, it should have had other Server Leadership present to have a 2nd view on the situation and give their feedback.
(04-12-2021, 02:00 PM)Michael Mikvik Wrote: Bro being chairman means nothing except for the fact you manage Commission relations and hold meetings. If someone votes against me with a majority there is nothing I can do.straight cap, I got people inside the comission that leak shit to me all the time, you were never voted on to be chairman, and u actively abuse your power by using murder inc to PK anyone u don't like basically cheesing the system.
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - Michael Mikvik - 04-12-2021
Bro Murder Inc. has not done one hit for me. And you have an outdated rat. It was voted on.
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - Fitz - 04-12-2021
(04-12-2021, 02:00 PM)TGKilo Wrote: Sudo, you are actively defending rule-breaking. No matter how it is phrased, the rules prevent the FBI from being corrupt for the rules themselves say that they have gone through extensive training and are disciplined by federal enforcement, meaning they wouldn't quite go rogue and commit a felony. It even specifies "they are meant to be noncorrupt agents of the state", and any justification allowing them to condone corrupt acts should be classified as irrelevant due to you finding loopholes within the wording. The FBI agent broke a rule thus this should be voided
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Amen, not to also mention that he allowed OOC Discord DMs to be IC as a major part of the evidence which is also breaking the own rules that servers stand upon, so do I have to worry that things I say in DMs to be taken IC'ly, because now we are allow metagaming into important roleplay situations.
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - DarmanTheGuy - 04-12-2021
(04-12-2021, 01:11 PM)Fitz Wrote: To be honest, killing off a really important member of the server shouldn't rely on just one person to decide, it should have had other Server Leadership present to have a 2nd view on the situation and give their feedback.
(04-12-2021, 02:01 PM)Fitz Wrote:(04-12-2021, 01:57 PM)DarmanTheGuy Wrote: Yeah so 1 way mikvik can legit Pk anyone useing BS reasons and abusing the fact this is the chairman of the comission(not voted on btw) he has muder inc in his pocket MEANING if he gives a BS reason and pays Murder inc money to kill someone, the only thing that matters and happens all the time for PK Reason is "Got paid to PK this person" and thats all murder inc needs. with that being said you could make up BS reason like "Threat to my power" or "killed a made guy" and legit PK anyone
And that is only 1 example of how mikvik cheeses the system
Nice accusation but can you prove it, as well this is not important to this situation.
100% I can prove it if canadian or pendred want to talk with me directly I got people to testify who are both in the commission and inside muder inc that Mikvik cheeses the system by PKing anyone he doesn't like useing muder inc
RE: Michael Latareze - PK Appeal - Pendred - 04-12-2021
This appeal has spiraled out of control has descended into a toxic spew of big words and pointless arguments. I believe I have seen enough to make a decision on the matter.
After spending the last 6+ hours since I woke up investigating this whole ordeal, reviewing evidence, reading over accounts and speaking to those involved, myself and Management have agreed that this situation was a complete and utter disaster. The effects of an FBI agent killing a mob boss during his trial would shake the entire nation; imagine if an FBI agent had gunned down John Gotti during his trials, take the protests that happened in 2020 and times it by 1000. Faith in the judicial system and government would forever be misplaced, it was straight up murder, there was no justification for it whatsoever. I was told a different story by every person I spoke to, however after reviewing the facts and evidence involved, I have a good understanding of what actually transpired.
I debated going down the road of having the FBI subject to a series of investigations and trials by a special prosecutor and or the OPR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Professional_Responsibility), which would inevitably result in their permanent disbandment from the server given the seriousness of what happened. I would have preferred to of kept this situation completely IC as I dislike having to intervene in affairs that should really be dealt with in roleplay, but I fear what may happen if I do not take action.
I believe it is in the interests of all parties involved to have this situation completely voided, including the court trial that was taking place, and the situation that led up to it, and to use this scenario as an opportunity to set precedent and rectify the various issues that have arisen from this situation and others that have come before it. This situation in particular had no input from either myself or anyone from Management, an issue that will be addressed to those involved to ensure something like this is never repeated.
Last thing, based on the replies I have seen on this thread as well as comments from some, a lot of you seem to forget that this is roleplay, there are limitations and restrictions on how things must be done, everything must be thought through realistically, and the consequences of actions must be considered as they would be in real life. I am planning to personally make a number of reforms on a lot of things to avoid events like this or similar from happening again.
Edit: Anyone who was PK'd as a result of this situation has had their characters reinstated.