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Dinero's PK Appeal - Moneykxe - 03-02-2022
Name of Character: Isaac "Dinero" Hernandez (If that last name is wrong, try using char id: 50187)
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:426599120
Date of PK: 2022 - 02- 28
Reason for PK: Breaking FearRP While Under Arrest
Why should you be unPK'd?: There are 3 reasons, First of all, I think most people can agree that they believed if you took a gun out and they shot you first, it would mean they initiated the gun fight. I thought this was the rule because one of my PK's were lifted for this exact thing. If i took my gun out, the officer could of attempted to talk me out of it, at least trying to role play the situation, maybe yell something like "drop the gun" but they shot me, although in the clip it clearly shows I was running away with the gun then turning. I only opened fire after the officer fired at me. 2nd of all, this isn't really a reason, but just something I'd like to point out. The taser not working on me could have been roleplayed, taser failure can occur especially in 1986, when tasers were not the best. now moving on to the third reason, FearRP, as seen in the clip, when i take my weapon out, there is no officer with theirs pointed at me, all of them either have their weapon on safety or have a taser pointed at me (which sometimes can be a lethal weapon but rare), but this is an arrest so I can see how that might be breaking FearRP. This all occurred off of the basis that I believed if an officer fires first, it initiates the gun fight, and pointing a gun at an officer is not a PKable offense. One last thing, some people say one of the cops said "PK him" after my death, but there is no video footage to back this up (at least I cant find any).
If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:
Rages POV
Previous PK Appeal
RE: Dinero's PK Appeal - Moneykxe - 03-03-2022
(03-02-2022, 10:53 PM)Moneykxe Wrote: Name of Character: Isaac "Dinero" Hernandez (If that last name is wrong, try using char id: 50187)
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:426599120
Date of PK: 2022 - 02- 28
Reason for PK: Breaking FearRP While Under Arrest
Why should you be unPK'd?: There are 3 reasons, First of all, I think most people can agree that they believed if you took a gun out and they shot you first, it would mean they initiated the gun fight. I thought this was the rule because one of my PK's were lifted for this exact thing. If i took my gun out, the officer could of attempted to talk me out of it, at least trying to role play the situation. One officer did say "Drop the gun" but they shot me maybe less than a second after. I only opened fire after the officer fired at me. 2nd of all, this isn't really a reason, but just something I'd like to point out. The taser not working on me could have been roleplayed, taser failure can occur especially in 1986, when tasers were not the best. now moving on to the third reason, FearRP, as seen in the clip, when I take my weapon out, there is no officer with theirs pointed at me, all of them either have their weapon on safety or have a taser pointed at me (which sometimes can be a lethal weapon but rare), but this is an arrest so I can see how that might be breaking FearRP. This all occurred off of the basis that I believed if an officer fires first, it initiates the gun fight, and pointing a gun at an officer is not a PKable offense. One last thing, some people say one of the cops said "PK him" after my death, but there is no video footage to back this up (at least I cant find any).
If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:
Rages POV
Previous PK Appeal
RE: Dinero's PK Appeal - Rem - 03-03-2022
I never said you were PKed for FearRP. You were PKed for disregarding your life and shooting at police to escape an arrest from police. The argument that you did not shoot first, so you shouldn't be PKed has holes. You pulled out your weapon escaping the tazing attempts, and pointed it at officers while backing away. Yes the officer shot first, but that was after you pulled out your weapon knowing 5 officers are around you. I cannot blame the PD for that. You ended up dying. It would be unfair if you were not PKed as you would have just gotten a free escape from an arrest/RP.
I already told you that the previous PK appeal was accepted due to the original PKing administrator wanting to retract it.
RE: Dinero's PK Appeal - draggydx - 03-03-2022
You keep trying to loophole the rules, when it comes to PKs like these. You disregard your life by pulling out a gun after being tasted which you then procceed to not shoot the police bc you were trying to loophole the popular misconception of " if I pull a gun and don't shoot at the Police, I didn't initiate the fight". Pulling a gun on a cop is starting a gun fight then not only that you pulled a gun bc you were trying to escape an arrest. Both videos provided by us showed us ending you without saying you got pked lol.(unedited btw)
RE: Dinero's PK Appeal - Moneykxe - 03-03-2022
(03-03-2022, 05:12 AM)Touka Wrote: I never said you were PKed for FearRP. You were PKed for disregarding your life and shooting at police to escape an arrest from police. The argument that you did not shoot first, so you shouldn't be PKed has holes. You pulled out your weapon escaping the tazing attempts, and pointed it at officers while backing away. Yes the officer shot first, but that was after you pulled out your weapon knowing 5 officers are around you. I cannot blame the PD for that. You ended up dying. It would be unfair if you were not PKed as you would have just gotten a free escape from an arrest/RP.
I already told you that the previous PK appeal was accepted due to the original PKing administrator wanting to retract it.
I was never informed for the reason my pk was lifted, the argument to appeal the pk was because the officer fired the first shot so I believed that was the rule. I don’t think I’m the only one that thought this was the rule. I pulled my gun to scare the officers away since all of them had theirs on safety or had a taser out. (You said my pk was lifted because UA requested it in the pk sit, never said the original staff member wanted it lifted)
(03-03-2022, 04:23 PM)draggydx Wrote: You keep trying to loophole the rules, when it comes to PKs like these. You disregard your life by pulling out a gun after being tasted which you then procceed to not shoot the police bc you were trying to loophole the popular misconception of " if I pull a gun and don't shoot at the Police, I didn't initiate the fight". Pulling a gun on a cop is starting a gun fight then not only that you pulled a gun bc you were trying to escape an arrest. Both videos provided by us showed us ending you without saying you got pked lol.(unedited btw)
what loophole, me and a shit ton of other people believed this was the rule, if I pull a gun on an unarmed officer and they shoot first it’s not a pk.
btw, I don’t wanna argue with you on this because trying to get to a point with you would be a headache.
(03-03-2022, 05:12 AM)Touka Wrote: I never said you were PKed for FearRP. You were PKed for disregarding your life and shooting at police to escape an arrest from police. The argument that you did not shoot first, so you shouldn't be PKed has holes. You pulled out your weapon escaping the tazing attempts, and pointed it at officers while backing away. Yes the officer shot first, but that was after you pulled out your weapon knowing 5 officers are around you. I cannot blame the PD for that. You ended up dying. It would be unfair if you were not PKed as you would have just gotten a free escape from an arrest/RP.
I already told you that the previous PK appeal was accepted due to the original PKing administrator wanting to retract it.
i pulled the gun out not to with the intent to shoot just to strike fear, I did not shoot as you can see I just pointed it at them and when they fired first I opened fire for my own safety.
RE: Dinero's PK Appeal - Canadian-bacon - 03-03-2022
Unfortunately the clip for the old PK appeal no longer exists, which I would have checked as reference in regards to your claims. However going on the replies in the thread and Touka's reply here I can defer that the original administrator had it retracted because he believed that the Police were at fault for being PK hungry (As pointed out by Romullus) and using OOC terms in IC, as well as the clip lacking initial context, Moses then retracted the PK after considering he no longer felt 110% certain you were at fault.
However looking that this PK I can be much more objective. The police were guarding a building and not initiating any confrontation. A crowd gathered to harass them, per usual, and during this encounter an individual used /fallover. Despite what we clearly hear as a warning/order from someone in the video: "Don't pick him up" you end up picking the unconscious person up and killing them, starting the confrontation, you are then tazed and as they attempt to detain you, you purposefully evade them, backing up and un-holstering a weapon.
Already from the point of perspective from the police, you initiated a violent confrontation, evaded detainment and just un-holstered a weapon directed at officers. They have every reason to believe you are a threat and open fire.
The idea that it is to 'strike fear' is unfortunately illogical because even if we did allow users to pull out weapons and not be pk'ed it would simply encourage users to pull weapons on cops and hold fire to bait them into firing first so they can get a free kill with no consequence, it would be a loophole on the violent confrontation rule to allow this.
I believe there is more than enough context here to PK you for starting the violent confrontation and killing someone. You're a regular and understand the ins and out of roleplay and mechanics. The circumstance between the last appeal and this one are much too different to compare, each PK situation is unique.
Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.
We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.
You may not re-appeal this PK.