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Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Viva - 09-22-2023
Your Character or Steam Name: Azriel Lazarus
Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:0:52323722
Your Discord ID#: Viva1810
Reason for ban:
Length of ban: 1 week
Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute
Why should you be unbanned? : So Mr Aquila banned me on suspicion that i was using a alt character with no purpose to do something , that i was ''inventing'' evidence and taking ''OOC Matters into IC''. First of all , not a ALT character , i was with the jewish long before this whole situation and i have good friends there that i get along with and i use the character to do other things. None of the information that was provided to me was out of character , everything was done in character and every single thing was discussed in character. Not to mention i've asked multiple high ranking people in the staff team asking if what was being done was ok in correspondance with the rules and we were told everything we are doing is totally valid , and all of a sudden i receive a 1 week ban for Powergaming/Metagaming. Staff abuse is pretty rampant lately and i feel like not much is being done about it.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Aquilla - 09-22-2023
"I use that character to do other things" - You didn't. You hadn't been on the character in 2 weeks before instantly going to work on faking you being the alleged criminal. You had been hired 3 weeks before and had only played (non-actively) for 2 days of those 3 weeks.
"None of the information that was provided to me was out of character , everything was done in character and every single thing was discussed in character." - For the face change you loaded your character a minute before and were instantly paid 50 grand. I find it very hard to believe any real RP was done for this situation. You are a character with no stakes, a simple alt that hadn't played for 2 weeks. If a person had been active in a faction for 2 days then 2 weeks later begun staging evidence against them out of the blue, they'd be banned. Just because you aren't harming an enemy faction doesn't mean you aren't powergaming/metagaming to throw a case apart. If your character had a real RP reason for throwing his life away for a man he never met when only being hired for 2 days I'd be very delighted to hear it.
"Staff abuse is pretty rampant lately and i feel like not much is being done about it." - That's what staff reports are for.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Viva - 09-22-2023
(09-22-2023, 12:52 AM)Aquilla Wrote: "I use that character to do other things" - You didn't. You hadn't been on the character in 2 weeks before instantly going to work on faking you being the alleged criminal. You had been hired 3 weeks before and had only played (non-actively) for 2 days of those 3 weeks.Lol so you trynna tell me you have been tracking me ever since i joined the jewish and can tell me how much time i've played in total and what i have done? Yeah i call bullshit on that. Not to mention fact still stands that i been with the jewish long before this whole situation.
"None of the information that was provided to me was out of character , everything was done in character and every single thing was discussed in character." - For the face change you loaded your character a minute before and were instantly paid 50 grand. I find it very hard to believe any real RP was done for this situation. You are a character with no stakes, a simple alt that hadn't played for 2 weeks. If a person had been active in a faction for 2 days then 2 weeks later begun staging evidence against them out of the blue, they'd be banned. Just because you aren't harming an enemy faction doesn't mean you aren't powergaming/metagaming to throw a case apart. If your character had a real RP reason for throwing his life away when only being hired for 2 days I'd be very delighted to hear it.
"Staff abuse is pretty rampant lately and i feel like not much is being done about it." - That's what staff reports are for.
I didn't log in and got given 50k , i logged in , saw chief and other jews at the bank , went inside with chief cuz he said he wanted to talk to me , and everything was discussed in game. I had a gun on this character , i had money on that character , i have been doing stuff. All of this is just pointless allegations with no actual proof behind it , something that you have been doing for a long long time. Sure i wasn't extremely active on my jewish character but that's because i have alot of responsabilities elsewhere , which is frankly , none of your business to begin with , but you do like snooping around in other's people business all the time when things don't go your way. This is just classic case of powertripping. Not to mention you completely keep ignoring the fact that we did not break any rules whatsoever and you just keep on ranting about the same thing over and over
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Aquilla - 09-22-2023
"Lol so you trynna tell me you have been tracking me ever since i joined the jewish and can tell me how much time i've played in total and what i have done?" - No, it's very simple in fact. Your logs are 10 pages long, mostly combat with polish/14k. Even white shirts have more character interaction than that.
"Not to mention you completely keep ignoring the fact that we did not break any rules whatsoever and you just keep on ranting about the same thing over and over " - You may not invent evidence to force a roleplay nor may you take OOC matters into IC. Stay mad.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Viva - 09-22-2023
(09-22-2023, 01:02 AM)Aquilla Wrote: "Lol so you trynna tell me you have been tracking me ever since i joined the jewish and can tell me how much time i've played in total and what i have done?" - No, it's very simple in fact. Your logs are 10 pages long, mostly combat with polish/14k. Even white shirts have more character interaction than that.Yeah ok buddy you were totally there to know how much RP i do or what i do with my free time. It doesn't exactly look good for you when all you can say is ''Stay mad''. Where is this evidence that we are forcing roleplay and what OOC matters did we take IC , i do wanna know , to me it looks like you are the one who is mad about this situation to issue random bans like that with no actual evidence behind it. You are also choosing to ignore the fact that we consulted higher ranked staff members than you who approve of the situation. Why don't you say anything about that?
"Not to mention you completely keep ignoring the fact that we did not break any rules whatsoever and you just keep on ranting about the same thing over and over " - You may not invent evidence to force a roleplay nor may you take OOC matters into IC. Stay mad.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Monaclu - 09-22-2023
In regards to the everything done in character, I can attest to this, we talked about it IC, I got him to agree to take the fall for the good of the organization, gave him money for a face change, even handed him a card telling him what to say generally, and I think it fits pretty well with what his official affadavit was. Here's the evidence: https://imgur.com/a/cNSHfRk
As far as his activity, he was hired at the beginning of this month. IC I was aware of his being in the organization, as I may have been the one who hired him, I was not aware of the exact activity, but if you check most of my guys' activity, we have an activity issue as do a lot of factions right now, so our options are far and few. If the situation should have been voided, it should have been voided. Hell, the first week of this faction some dude who was a left over from davis boys hopped on for a day and snitched on us, and I saw no OOC issue with that. The definition of a throwaway character needs to be more clearly defined, as his character joined my faction in good will and he actually wanted to be in my faction.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Aquilla - 09-22-2023
"as his character joined my faction in good will and he actually wanted to be in my faction. " - Then why did he throw away his character trying to take a life sentence for a guy he never met IC???
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Rem - 09-22-2023
What's the context?
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Monaclu - 09-22-2023
(09-22-2023, 01:10 AM)Aquilla Wrote: "as his character joined my faction in good will and he actually wanted to be in my faction. " - Then why did he throw away his character trying to take a life sentence for a guy he never met IC???Because I told him to. His loyalty's to me. That's how I run my faction. I say jump, they say how high. I told him it would help the faction.
RE: Azrael Lazarus Metagaming/Powergaming Appeal. - Aquilla - 09-22-2023
Grandpa Solomon/Darkfire gets arrested for stabbing an officer. He has mountains of evidence against him. Defense gets people to write fake affidavits, all of these were on main characters except for the person who claimed they did it. He wrote a fake affidavit and appeared on that same day 12 days after not playing his character.