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Ban Appeal - DoctorZoso - 09-27-2023
Name: Harold Jacob Jung Jr.
Steam ID: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561199230092406
Discord ID: MafiaMan#3401
Reason for Ban: RDM
Length of Ban: 2 days
Reason for appeal: I wasn't in violation for any server rules. Didn't have any chance to explain the situation. Was a he say she say situation. The victim didn't make the ticket nor was in the sit down with administration.
Why I should be unbanned: I'm a extremely active player. Follow the rules that have been scripted amongst the server rules. As well as admit to any wrong doings when I am in the wrong. The ban was due to me killing a citizen whom owed me cash from a loan I had given in prior weeks. The individual had be arrested and cuffed. As the police were escorting the individual to PD I see him. (I had confronted the individual about 30 minutes prior to the "violation"). In which led to the individual running and getting out of my sight. I was told by police during the sit down it was too "convenient" that I happened to see him and kill him. Keep in mind the victim isn't even the one whom made the RDM ticket. Reason being is the two officers made the ticket for their own personal loss. They explained they were trying to get a plea deal for the probationary officer so he could rank up. But my actions interfered with that and it didn't sit well with them. If they needed that plea they could have taken me to jail for the assault on the individual. But chose to shoot me instead, while after making a ticket to address their own loss. They stated we had prior history in logs. (Which I didn't deny, the guy is a friend I met over a month ago and rp with in the server). They made it seem as if I can't do RP situations with friends of the server as such. Claimed it was meta gaming when I dont even talk to the guy outside of the server itself. The ban and lack of evidence was petty in my opinion. I feel it was unjust for the admin to make the call to ban me, when neither officers were killed nor assaulted by me. The character whom died wasn't even in the sit down. I told the victim who died that if he didn't get my money to me he would be killed. He didn't hesitate to flee and run away from me as I chased him. I lost him and after a bit of time I was standing a ways down the street from pd and seen them dragging the individual in cuffs and made my move to kill him. They seen it as meta gaming or a premeditated act when it was completely not that. I offered to show proof or even asked them to call the individual to the sit down to ask if he owed me money. But the claim was it "might be a friend that will vouch". No proof of that just a bold assumption that lead to a ban. Feel it's unjust for the admin to hand out a ban for a ticket made by someone whom wasn't the victim of RDM or really involved in the situation that was going on. As stated they made the ticket because they are tired of chasing people and wanted to secure a plea deal for the probationary. But unfortunately their individual that was in custody was killed by myself. I'm my opinion it wasn't RDM. It was simply me staying in character and RPing with the individual while I seen the opportunity
RE: Ban Appeal - Yuki - 09-27-2023
Hey so as the admin who put in the ban heres my side of things. There was a ticket made by two officers about a man who ran up and just killed their prisoner for no rreason so i took the ticket and they showed me their clip(https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1vTNx9Org_jTvo/CTZtCfZMfKxb?invite=cr-MSxrNngsMTg2Nzg5MzU3LA) after that I pulled you in which your only defense was he owed you money which i explained that its still rdm just running up to someone who is being arrested and killing him and i noticed you had 6 pos for rdm so i banned you for 2 days. Ill now go over waht you said in your appeal.
You claimed “ The ban was due to me killing a citizen whom owed me cash from a loan I had given in prior weeks.” which i have looked into and a.your char is one week old so multiple weeks inst true and b. You have never given him money on that char you have one page of logs on those characters but overall your logs are mainly just giving money to each other and killing each other.
The victim dosnt need to make a ticket in a matter like that because it negatively affected the 2 officers so they did. I see no issue.
You make tickets for personal loss why else are they there?really i should have done pks off it or sent him back but i wasnt too sure at the time
I never said you cant do rp with friends i said if you have high interaction with someone then kill them for no valid reason it looks sus
I never claimed meta not sure about the cops but there wasnt hard proof so i didn't claim it. If i did it would be in your ban reason
Refer to 2 the direct victim doesn't need to make a ticket
Refer to 1 you never gave him any money
You nerve offered to show proof the logs contain everything you said since you type it out .i didn't need proof for that since here was none so i did not ban you for it
They can make a ticket if you broke the rules that was going to get the cadet a arrest when you broke the rules.
RE: Ban Appeal - DoctorZoso - 09-27-2023
You said I would be banned for my prior offenses. Your words exactly. You didn't do any investigating of the matter other than checking logs for money I handed him personally. Never let me explain that the 5k loaned was a brick of Marijuana. If my actions were a violation of the rules, then that should be added to the rules for the server. It doesn't state that you can't kill a citizen while detained by police. If that were the case I would have never committed those actions and this situation would have been avoided. The "loss" to the officers wasn't much of a loss. Sounds like a personal problem for the fact their feelings were hurt or offended for the results of my actions. I may have stole their opportunity for a plea. But they had a second opportunity to arrest me. Instead they shoot me. Why is the officer that killed me not being banned for RDM? He shot me out of rage rather than taking the time to make an arrest. Do cops just shoot and kill someone for assault without any warning? No words, warnings ect. If im having to sit this ban out so should the individual whom made the ticket for "RDM". Sounds like he's getting the upper hand for making a ticket. I blew it off and let it go when he shot me. Ban the officer the same way you banned me. Very hypocritical situation is you look at it from my side. No punishment for the officer because he made a ticket? Sounds to me like they were "victimized" because he made the ticket and then allowed to break the rules due to his feelings being hurt. Very one sided Yuki. Get me for RDM when the officer whom made the ticket did the same shit seconds after. If he actually was trying to follow the rules, he wouldn't have shot me out of rage and then try making a ticket to get me a ban. Just open your eyes and realize he was in violation of RDM.
Just can't understand why you hit me with a RDM when it was in RP the whole time. You need to check the meaning of RDM if that's the case. I could understand the ban if it wasn't in character and there was no RP motive behind it. But there was RP motive and I took action and carried it out. Give better reasoning as to why I deserve a ban. If the officers lost something personal I could maybe understand is as well. They lost nothing. They didn't need a comp for any items. They didn't get killed. They only got their feelings hurt because their citizen that was in custody got what was coming to him. Unjust reason to serve a ban. If they wanted a plea that bad then they should work harder for it rather than finding a reason to get a individual banned when they violate the server rules as they claimed I did.
You also state "you were unsure in the moment". Is that enough reasoning to hand out a ban? Study up and get it right. Also stating "killing for no reason". There was absolutely reasoning. You just tend to turn the blind eye to it.
Just can't understand why you hit me with a RDM when it was in RP the whole time. You need to check the meaning of RDM if that's the case. I could understand the ban if it wasn't in character and there was no RP motive behind it. But there was RP motive and I took action and carried it out. Give better reasoning as to why I deserve a ban. If the officers lost something personal I could maybe understand is as well. They lost nothing. They didn't need a comp for any items. They didn't get killed. They only got their feelings hurt because their citizen that was in custody got what was coming to him. Unjust reason to serve a ban. If they wanted a plea that bad then they should work harder for it rather than finding a reason to get a individual banned when they violate the server rules as they claimed I did.
RE: Ban Appeal - Yuki - 09-27-2023
1 your pos were rdm that was rdm therefore you were banned for your rdm.
2[IC] Harold Jacob Jung Jr.: he owed me cash thats staying in character, [IC] Harold Jacob Jung Jr.: i loaned him money a couple weeks ago.you specifically said cash multiple times
3 you didn't have a VALID reason to kill him
4 you killed someone and in the clip provided it shows the cadet attempting to detain you
5 again you killed a prisoner and you were an active threat/complete minge.im not sure why you keep saying assault since you did kill him not just threaten him or give him reason to think you would hurt him. So the cops did not do anything wrong.
6 if you think he got the upper hand feel free to file a staff report but the officers can choose to handle it like that.
7 so overall the officers and valid reasoning to kill while you did not which is why you were banned for rdm. You many many pos for rdm so i choose 2 days which may be a little short but i believe to be justified
8 to respond to this You also state "you were unsure in the moment". Is that enough reasoning to hand out a ban? Study up and get it right. Also stating "killing for no reason". There was absolutely reasoning. You just tend to turn the blind eye to it.- as stated it could be handled either way ether it but i would prefer to ban for rdm since you learn more from a ban
Have a Great day!
RE: Ban Appeal - DoctorZoso - 09-27-2023
I said he owed me money, that's a VALID RP reason. I told him to pay me 5k cash back. My past POs were literal warnings for shit that couldn't be proven nor were true. I never stated I loaned "cash". I stated he owes me money. 5k to be exact. Don't lie and say the cadet tried to detain me. I can provide a clip. He did not they shot me down. No words exchanged. You state its rdm for killing someone who owes me money. That's RP. You keep trying to justify it in a way that makes no connection nor sense to the server rules.
RE: Ban Appeal - Yuki - 09-27-2023
(09-27-2023, 04:32 PM)DoctorZoso Wrote: Just can't understand why you hit me with a RDM when it was in RP the whole time. You need to check the meaning of RDM if that's the case. I could understand the ban if it wasn't in character and there was no RP motive behind it. But there was RP motive and I took action and carried it out. Give better reasoning as to why I deserve a ban. If the officers lost something personal I could maybe understand is as well. They lost nothing. They didn't need a comp for any items. They didn't get killed. They only got their feelings hurt because their citizen that was in custody got what was coming to him. Unjust reason to serve a ban. If they wanted a plea that bad then they should work harder for it rather than finding a reason to get a individual banned when they violate the server rules as they claimed I did.you have switched your story multiple times trying to get reason to kill him when you have none. as stated before you were banned for rdm due to you attacking a person for an invalid reason
RE: Ban Appeal - DoctorZoso - 09-27-2023
Switched stories multiple times? Please elaborate or explain to me what I've switched? You are a awful excuse of an admin. Spend too much time and money on this server to have to deal with a admin as pathetic as yourself. "Banned for RDM due to attacking a random person". In which I've stated multiple times they owed me money! He wasn't a random person if you would like me to state the characters name. That is following the RP and server rules. Should me and you both sit down and go over the rules together so you can understand this? I even asked you to bring the individual into the sit down to get their side of the story and you wouldn't because you feel the need to take it upon yourself to make assumptions that I'm meta gaming and know the individual. When you make a assumptions you are only making an ass out of both you and I.
Ban Appeal - BoomRoasted - 09-29-2023
Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied.
We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified.
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