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Char's ban appeal - char - 11-05-2023
Your Character or Steam Name: Henri "Char" Campbell
Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:44425038
Your Discord ID#: closer
Reason for ban: rdm | PO x1
Length of ban: 1day
Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): My reason for appealing this ban is due to the fact that I feel this ban was unjust, because I deemed my situation as an active threat, as stated in the rules is "For example, someone pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you. This is an Active threat.". I do believe multiple shooters firing at a cop car right next to me, which would also seriously injure / kill me, is an active threat. I was also unaware I was given a note about being "thirsty for kills", despite the staff member who banned me telling me that "you would have been let know when you were noted". The same staff member also told me in my Discord DMs that it was "impossible to know" that the people I killed were coming off of Imperial roof, when given the time frame between when they opened fire, and then escaping via the Napoli fire escape.
Why should you be unbanned? I zoomed in and saw multiple shooters, wearing blue shirts as well as white shirts, before I engaged said shooters. The clip doesn't show this next part I'm explaining, and that's my bad. I poorly trimmed it. However, I saw the officers run towards Imperial, so I made the decision to turn around and run to Napoli, knowing that's one of the fastest routes off the Imperial roof. I then saw people coming down off of the roof of Napoli, onto the fire escape ladders, where I then opened fire, knowing it was them. They had on the same clothes, and given the time frame in between firing, and running down the Napoli fire escape, it was clear that those were the people who opened fire as stated above.
Additional Information (images, videos, etc): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/1C8qLqSKMTSgCR/sm6enht5lOWt - clip I provided to the staff member during the sit
https://streamable.com/a04bbx - The route taken by the shooters, as well as me physgunning where I shot them.
RE: Char's ban appeal - Ayden - 11-05-2023
yea no, you took contact from a random direction, not a single shot hitting you, then returned fire. its unlikely at that distance you got a good look at them, and regardless of the path they took you still wouldnt know for sure. you thenound someone you believed to be related to the indecent and gunned them down in the streets. you used "probable cause" as your defense in the sit which was odd and failed to actually establish a basis for the killing.
Further, you had a PO for something along the lines of "guy was shooting in a random direction and you killed them, just hungry to kill people." which lines up almost perfectly with this scenario. You arent a cop, you arent a vigilante, you are a normal dude who recieved a 1 day ban for rdm because thats exactly what you did.
RE: Char's ban appeal - DurMattt - 11-05-2023
wait he got banned for shooting at ppl who shot him??
RE: Char's ban appeal - anzati1 - 11-05-2023
There are two types of threats, an 'Active Threat' and a 'Idle threat'. Users may kill for an active threat but they may not kill for an idle a threat.
For example, someone pointing a gun at you and threatening to kill you. This is an Active threat.
I think shooting at someone is a little bit more than "pointing a gun at you"
RE: Char's ban appeal - Rem - 11-05-2023
With the clips provided, I think it's fair to say it wasn't RDM. Sure, in retrospect the intention may not be to shoot you and to shoot at the police, but as you were scarily close to the shots, it's fair to shoot back. Players who shoot into a heavily dense area, with the intention to kill a specific target shouldn't expect to not receive a fight by someone they are shooting almost directly at. Especially at the distance they are at.
Not every scenario can play like this though. If someone shoots someone at a completely different direction, and you kill them, that would be RDM. But that's why we review things by case and rules cannot be specific.
Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted.
The ban will be lifted from your account shortly.