PK Appeal

[DAWWG]

It doesn't matter if i don't have a motive to kidnap you, when i point a gun at you and yell "stop moving" u stop the fuck moving. The fact that u did it twice just shows u blatantly broke fearp since u had valuable items on you, stop the bullshit mate.

I don't believe I've treated you poorly on here, there is no need for that language. The first time yes, I looked straight at you guys when you pointed guns at me, we were in the middle of a street, at least 75 meters from any enclosure, you guys didn't type or say to "stop, this is a kidnap/mugging"  you just had your weapons drawn at that point, didn't handle the person you were trying to kidnap/mug, and on top of that you told the admin that you chased me through town hall, which isn't true. The second time I did see you guys yes, I walked past you, you guys drew your guns after I pasted you, I didn't pay any attention to you, in fact, I was on call with the dealer guy I was meeting with so like literally didn't pay any attention to you guys after I pasted you, you were yelling for sure, but as you see in the video, there's 2 other people that you could've been talking to, not like the first situation where I completely acknowledged you. Mate.

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[ZharkZ]

This is the biggest bullshit i've heard. The fact that ur trying to argue that you didn't see us is rediculous. Also the first time when we tried to put you under fearrp you started yelling "you can't rob me in public". I don't have to yell "its a kidnap", when i point a gun at you, you stop moving thats what fearrp is.

[DAWWG]

This is the biggest bullshit i've heard. The fact that ur trying to argue that you didn't see us is rediculous. Also the first time when we tried to put you under fearrp you started yelling "you can't rob me in public". I don't have to yell "its a kidnap", when i point a gun at you, you stop moving thats what fearrp is.

Well I never said I didn't see you guys, I said I seen you guys and kept walking, you didn't pull your guns on me until my back was turned to you, you were yelling at my back and I didn't realize you guys were talking to me until you started shooting me, like I said I was on a call with the guy I was meeting at the docks, I DID see you guys, but by the time you guys were a threat, my back was turned to you and you guys didn't have my attention. I mean like maybe if you guys werent so fast to shot me, I was at the end of a dock, where else would I have gone, you would've had me cornered. Unfortunately, Hugh seen the first situation and assumed I wasn't complying again. Also Hugh, you also said the two reasons why you voided the first Situation was because they shouted "PK" and the altercation lasted a whole 7 second.

[dandead10]

Adding as Mr. Winchester's sort of boss, and as someone who's intimately familiar with mugging rules. I believe I shall interject by looking to the rules, as well as defining what you can and can't do in a mugging/kidnapping.

1. You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around. EXAMPLE: The victim is alone at night in the middle of an empty street. You initiate a mugging with your firearm and take them to an alleyway so no one stumbles upon the crime. You may not perform the mugging in the street, which is a public area.)

You're not just mugging in the street, but in the middle of a parking lot with multiple cars parked there with a driver coming in to the middle space. A person who stumbled upon your crime.

There were plenty of other people present and around. Therefore, at least according to rule #1 of mugging rules, you cannot mug in a public space, which I'd argue the parking lot of the dock is, and there certainly were many people around. Multiple cars parked in that area, and one actively witnessing you attempting to mug. And before you state it's a kidnap attempt, more or less the same thing. So, I'd argue in this particular case, it shouldn't be P.K worthy, but one could even argue that it's fail RP. You logically wouldn't whip your guns out and attempt to mug or kidnap someone in a public space like a dock or pier, especially when there's multiple cars in the parking lot and a clear witness before you.

In addition, I'd argue that you wouldn't mug someone in broad daylight in front of multiple people, of which I count at least two other witnesses on the dock or in the parking lot especially without any masks on a pier/dock.

Rule #2 of Mugging/Kidnapping Rules:

Secluded and non public areas include; Alleys, dark corners, areas void of other players or NPCs/abandoned buildings.


He isn't breaking fear RP because he's in an area he shouldn't logically be able to be mugged/robbed. Now, if he were on his absolute lonesome, I could understand. But as I said, there were two other people/witnesses, as well as three cars in the parking lot. This is my view on such. Before you argue that you weren't going to mug him, but instead kidnap him, you argue earlier that he "ignored you because he had valuable items", indicating your intention, or at least the seem of it was to mug. Regardless, the rules more or less clearly outline what you can and cannot do for mug/kidnap. Other people were present.


As they say.

Checkmate liberal.

[DAWWG]

Adding as Mr. Winchester's sort of boss, and as someone who's intimately familiar with mugging rules. I believe I shall interject by looking to the rules, as well as defining what you can and can't do in a mugging/kidnapping.

1. You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around. EXAMPLE: The victim is alone at night in the middle of an empty street. You initiate a mugging with your firearm and take them to an alleyway so no one stumbles upon the crime. You may not perform the mugging in the street, which is a public area.)

You're not just mugging in the street, but in the middle of a parking lot with multiple cars parked there with a driver coming in to the middle space. A person who stumbled upon your crime.

There were plenty of other people present and around. Therefore, at least according to rule #1 of mugging rules, you cannot mug in a public space, which I'd argue the parking lot of the dock is, and there certainly were many people around. Multiple cars parked in that area, and one actively witnessing you attempting to mug. And before you state it's a kidnap attempt, more or less the same thing. So, I'd argue in this particular case, it shouldn't be P.K worthy, but one could even argue that it's fail RP. You logically wouldn't whip your guns out and attempt to mug or kidnap someone in a public space like a dock or pier, especially when there's multiple cars in the parking lot and a clear witness before you.

In addition, I'd argue that you wouldn't mug someone in broad daylight in front of multiple people, of which I count at least two other witnesses on the dock or in the parking lot especially without any masks on a pier/dock.

Rule #2 of Mugging/Kidnapping Rules:

Secluded and non public areas include; Alleys, dark corners, areas void of other players or NPCs/abandoned buildings.


He isn't breaking fear RP because he's in an area he shouldn't logically be able to be mugged/robbed. Now, if he were on his absolute lonesome, I could understand. But as I said, there were two other people/witnesses, as well as three cars in the parking lot. This is my view on such. Before you argue that you weren't going to mug him, but instead kidnap him, you argue earlier that he "ignored you because he had valuable items", indicating your intention, or at least the seem of it was to mug. Regardless, the rules more or less clearly outline what you can and cannot do for mug/kidnap. Other people were present.


As they say.

Checkmate liberal.

The truth is in the pudding, exactly! Their intentions were to mug, as he said "You have valuable items on you", kidnappers kidnap people, not valuables.

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