Invalid PK - Chevy Iommi Was NOT Killed By PD

[mistamane111]

Name of Character:
Chevy Iomi 
SteamID: STEAM_0:0:48077698


Date of PK: 4/14/2021

Reason for PK: Killed by guy in apartment I was raiding

Why should you be unPK'd?: So I lockpicked through a top floor window and raided the apartment buildings next to the park and got into a shootout coming down the main stairway. After killing two people and getting killed myself, I respawned and when about my business until I was pulled into an admin sit with Rem who told me that because I died during a raid, I was Pk'able. After triple checking the rule, both server rules and Pk rules, there is absolutely NOTHING that says anything about being Pk'ed during a raid or robbery, the closest thing was something about if police responders arrive on the scene and kill you than that's a Pk, but that was definetely not the case here, as there were no cops in the apartment complex or outside. I understand that if I'm killed by a cop during a shootout that I am Pk'able, but as to my situation this is not a Pk'able offense, and there has never been an instance in game as far as I am aware of. I urge the moderators to please review the situation and check the rules so you can corroborate what I'm saying, and please, if I happened to miss this rule leave it in the thread with its location on the forums.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lk3QGfB...sp=sharing

[mistamane111]

any update on this? thank you. Also I’d like to ask: if my death was eligible for PK, does this mean the two people I killed are also subject to be PK’d? I just want to make sure that everything is fair..

[Rem]

The reason I PKed you was due to failing a robbery/raid. This was a rule, but I guess when the PK guidelines were reformed, they may have forgotten to re-add it. In regards to the sit, it was originally an RDM ticket as you went in the building killing everybody due to a 'raid'. This means people lost their weapons and had to deal with NLR. It isn't fair for you to go off scott-free and while you made people lose their stuff. I felt as it was fair that you would be PKed for failing the raid. If you are going to do a raid, don't go in expecting nothing bad to happen to yourself other than just losing a glock. Also, you told me that you knew there were people with weapons in the building, and went in expecting to die which is not valuing your life. To sum it up, you went into a building, KOSed everybody, died, and did not expect a PK.

[mistamane111]

The reason I PKed you was due to failing a robbery/raid. This was a rule, but I guess when the PK guidelines were reformed, they may have forgotten to re-add it. In regards to the sit, it was originally an RDM ticket as you went in the building killing everybody due to a 'raid'. This means people lost their weapons and had to deal with NLR. It isn't fair for you to go off scott-free and while you made people lose their stuff. I felt as it was fair that you would be PKed for failing the raid. If you are going to do a raid, don't go in expecting nothing bad to happen to yourself other than just losing a glock. Also, you told me that you knew there were people with weapons in the building, and went in expecting to die which is not valuing your life. To sum it up, you went into a building, KOSed everybody, died, and did not expect a PK.

Quick edit: it wasn’t “KOS everybody” I killed two doormen. It wasn’t like I killed everyone in that apartment.. I’ve seen more and worse RDM in the streets but that’s none of my business. Also I did NOT say I was expecting to die, I’ve made it as far as wiping out an entire apartment with guns before as a one man army. So now I feel offended that you’re lying on my name and sayin I said that because I did not say that. I expected for people to have guns of course but I did not expect to die.


I don’t value my rp life? Did you not watch the video link of me screaming and cursing from being upset?
I’m obviously here to appeal my pk, that should show that I care about my rp life enough

I didn’t KOS just to KOS. I even raided an apartment before a week ago and had a staff member witness the whole thing, it was all in RP  and  no one saw it as me RDMing. Not sure why just because a couple of people died losing some stuff is applicable to me getting PK’d losing all of my progress for good. Especially if it’s not in the rules. I don’t think it should still be applied if someone “forgot” to put it back on there, because to my knowledge it’s no PKable. I’ve spent a lot of time on this server with my friends and planned on doing a lot more on it.

[Rem]

Not every situation is in the guideline. That's why staff can choose what they believe is right, and people can appeal it if they think otherwise. Also, you maybe might have not said that, but I at least thought you did.(I deal with a lot of sits, so I don't recall all of them) It's a short 7 second clip, it needs more context. I told you multiple times, your actions have consequences, so robbing places or people can lead to PKs. Trying to de-justify a PK by saying you spent a lot of time is weak. People get PKed all the time and they spend a lot of time too.

[mistamane111]

Not every situation is in the guideline. That's why staff can choose what they believe is right, and people can appeal it if they think otherwise. Also, you maybe might have not said that, but I at least thought you did.(I deal with a lot of sits, so I don't recall all of them) It's a short 7 second clip, it needs more context. I told you multiple times, your actions have consequences, so robbing places or people can lead to PKs. Trying to de-justify a PK by saying you spent a lot of time is weak. People get PKed all the time and they spend a lot of time too.

it’s not in the rule book, so how am I going to know it’s not allowed... if I get PK’d they should be PK’d as well. That’s only fair. If I lose all of my progress, they should too. Either that or realize that I’m not in the wrong here.

[Rem]

Acting recklessly can cost you your life and result in a PK. This includes, in some circumstances, not valuing your life (breaking FearRP), Intentionally committing suicide or intentionally putting yourself at risk.


This covers this situation.
The PK guidelines is not supposed to cover every situation/list them.
It wouldn't be fair for them to be PKed for your action, which they cannot control and can only attempt to stop. They didn't break FearRP it seems or anything along the lines.

[mistamane111]

Acting recklessly can cost you your life and result in a PK. This includes, in some circumstances, not valuing your life (breaking FearRP), Intentionally committing suicide or intentionally putting yourself at risk.


This covers this situation.
The PK guidelines is not supposed to cover every situation/list them.
It wouldn't be fair for them to be PKed for your action, which they cannot control and can only attempt to stop. They didn't break FearRP it seems or anything along the lines.

it’s not in the rule book, so how am I going to know it’s not allowed... if I get PK’d they should be PK’d as well. That’s only fair. If I lose all of my progress, they should too. I offered to pay the lost guns to the player that complained but I guess that wasn’t good enough, You ought to realize that I’m not in the wrong here. If you want to come up with non existent rules and play by your power filled megalomaniac egotistical roll; go ahead. You’re only showing what kind of admin you are. I’ve heard a lot of negative feedback about you by the players on the server. I even have footage of that. Let alone you minging two nights ago,  it’s actually a surprise how you’re not about your word and integrity when the mafia alone is all about that. I’ll be sure to show this to all of my fellow associates and friends I know and make sure they don’t support you or the server. I was thinking about getting me and my friends donating too, but I refuse to give my money to a server that is so easy to abuse its power to its players that spend serious time on it. Don’t bother appealing it at this point, because I’ll find a better server that doesn’t have a childish immature administrator like you. The best part is that you’re so ignorant in your mental imbalanced mind you’ll never see how wrong this was on my end.
sounds like you're backing up your buddy that complained.

[Rem]

No need to start throwing insults. And please don't respond to the appeal if you are not directly involved.

I won't be handling the appeal, so it's not my choice if it goes through or not. Just because we disagree, doesn't mean I am abusive.

Also make a staff report if you truly think this.

You may only make one appeal per PK, if you are denied you will be unable to appeal for that character again.

You must appeal within one week of your character being PK'd, appeals posted after this time will be automatically denied.

You may only comment on an appeal if you were DIRECTLY involved with the situation leading up to the PK.

You must follow the provided template for the appeal, failure to do so will result in an instant denial.

[mistamane111]

No need to start throwing insults. And please don't respond to the appeal if you are not directly involved.

I won't be handling the appeal, so it's not my choice if it goes through or not. Just because we disagree, doesn't mean I am abusive.

Also make a staff report if you truly think this.

You may only make one appeal per PK, if you are denied you will be unable to appeal for that character again.

You must appeal within one week of your character being PK'd, appeals posted after this time will be automatically denied.

You may only comment on an appeal if you were DIRECTLY involved with the situation leading up to the PK.

You must follow the provided template for the appeal, failure to do so will result in an instant denial.

why are you insulting my intelligence? I already read the rules before I posted.