02-08-2023, 11:42 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-08-2023, 11:43 PM by Guitar Guy. Edited 1 time in total.)
Hey, I'm the faction leader of those PK'ed and have a clip of another POV:
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/...4MzE0OTAxL
1. Very clearly shown here you can see radio contact between those involved, not discord. This situation was not metagamed on our side (Not sure if we can say the same for the muggers)
2. Don't know why there would be conflicting stories but after talking to those involved and watching the clips this is what i gathered:
The three ran to roof because of the gunshots and (at least to Jack's knowledge) that at least one DB was on the roof by visibly seeing Bobby and telling him to get off the roof (the man in the sombrero). In the clip Bobby was not tied and did not have his hands up which would indicate he was being mugged from the beginning of the clip until the time they reached the first ladder. Jack may have assumed he was AFK due to him not responding on the radio or moving. Bobby may not have been responding on radio or moving due to a gun being pointed at him putting him under FearRP. We don't really know bc of the shortness of the clip, but regardless there was no indicator of a mugging taking place on the roof. The mugging began around the time the three were already heading up to the top of the roof. There is about 1 second of time between the sound cue of the restraints and Liam coming over the top of the ladder. This can be seen in the clip attached to the original post. In the situation they didn't know it was a mugging until they were on the roof, but, since restraints went on and the mugging was already in progress by Bobby being under gunpoint, it became a situation of defense of a mugging. If they knew it was a mugging prior to going up I would assume they wouldn't have charged up there one by one, but even in the way it played out the PK should be appealed and accepted since acting in defense of a mugging does not make you PK'ed.
3. Johnny Amato being on the radio and on the hardware store was well aware IC that someone of ours was on the roof and even radio'ed in that he saw masked men on the room. More info was given by Jack saying, "Get down sombrero" and "Watch out they are coming up" followed by gunfire. That would make it reasonable to shoot at the masked men on the roof from the hardware store.
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/...4MzE0OTAxL
1. Very clearly shown here you can see radio contact between those involved, not discord. This situation was not metagamed on our side (Not sure if we can say the same for the muggers)
2. Don't know why there would be conflicting stories but after talking to those involved and watching the clips this is what i gathered:
The three ran to roof because of the gunshots and (at least to Jack's knowledge) that at least one DB was on the roof by visibly seeing Bobby and telling him to get off the roof (the man in the sombrero). In the clip Bobby was not tied and did not have his hands up which would indicate he was being mugged from the beginning of the clip until the time they reached the first ladder. Jack may have assumed he was AFK due to him not responding on the radio or moving. Bobby may not have been responding on radio or moving due to a gun being pointed at him putting him under FearRP. We don't really know bc of the shortness of the clip, but regardless there was no indicator of a mugging taking place on the roof. The mugging began around the time the three were already heading up to the top of the roof. There is about 1 second of time between the sound cue of the restraints and Liam coming over the top of the ladder. This can be seen in the clip attached to the original post. In the situation they didn't know it was a mugging until they were on the roof, but, since restraints went on and the mugging was already in progress by Bobby being under gunpoint, it became a situation of defense of a mugging. If they knew it was a mugging prior to going up I would assume they wouldn't have charged up there one by one, but even in the way it played out the PK should be appealed and accepted since acting in defense of a mugging does not make you PK'ed.
3. Johnny Amato being on the radio and on the hardware store was well aware IC that someone of ours was on the roof and even radio'ed in that he saw masked men on the room. More info was given by Jack saying, "Get down sombrero" and "Watch out they are coming up" followed by gunfire. That would make it reasonable to shoot at the masked men on the roof from the hardware store.
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