Cártel de Sinaloa (Reupload)

[DropitJimmy?]

-1 won't ever get off its feet. Will die within the week

[Scar]

Who will be the Faction Leader? I feel like, that's a big part of a faction and you really can't judge something based on a bit of backstory. I must understand who's going to be possibly leading this, especially since all Cartels are not welcomed in the eyes of the "Italians" and probably half of the server.

[Michael Mikvik]

I like it when people have the balls to make non-Italian factions because you are playing a losing game. But the problem with factions who do this is that they are all very and I mean very low rates of succession. They are usually ran by people who couldn't make it in an italian faction 90% of the time and then you have the 10% which is mostly retards, besides maybe 2% like Flanagan. If you are going to create this faction will you put the same effort Italian Factions do into creating backstory and doing roleplay? There is a italian handbook of phrases etc.

Another thing that bothers me is that you were in the original cartels (shit factions btw) where they cheated and just were all one big faction spread across alts and knew about it. You shouldn't be able to just log back in and recreate the bad past of Cartel, you should show people that you are willing to change and play without an official property and racket before hand and demonstrate RP.

So for now, -1.

[IZO]

Who will be the Faction Leader? I feel like, that's a big part of a faction and you really can't judge something based on a bit of backstory. I must understand who's going to be possibly leading this, especially since all Cartels are not welcomed in the eyes of the "Italians" and probably half of the server.

The leader is going to be Tirador you might not remember him but he's been around since the days of Typhon, which was god knows how long ago. He has previous experience from being high command in the Cali Cartel on MP and assuming the role of Consig in Norte in the early days of Diverge. Most of the high command is built from people like that with experience expanding over a couple years now so we do feel like we have the capacity to run a faction effectively. And yea i know most of the "Italians" have a general disliking of cartels, and from what I've seen some people don't even know why they hate the cartels and that's more a phenomenon in newer players, rather than the old timers of the servers that are aquainted with the reason behind the war and the beef.  But that hate is generally built from the time before and after the war 5 months ago and that's in the past and all we want is to live in the present and bring back a peace of a different type of RP to the table especially since the server has gained a bigger amount of players and we want them to experience a more diverse community.

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I like it when people have the balls to make non-Italian factions because you are playing a losing game. But the problem with factions who do this is that they are all very and I mean very low rates of succession. They are usually ran by people who couldn't make it in an italian faction 90% of the time and then you have the 10% which is mostly retards, besides maybe 2% like Flanagan. If you are going to create this faction will you put the same effort Italian Factions do into creating backstory and doing roleplay? There is a italian handbook of phrases etc.

Another thing that bothers me is that you were in the original cartels (shit factions btw) where they cheated and just were all one big faction spread across alts and knew about it. You shouldn't be able to just log back in and recreate the bad past of Cartel, you should show people that you are willing to change and play without an official property and racket before hand and demonstrate RP.

So for now, -1.

You can find a couple answers to your questions in the response I wrote to scar, but yea we're going to focus more into RP say a mexican handbook why not that's something we can do, but main thing I personally want to focus on is player lead events like boxing/fighting events, drag racing and so on which I used to hold previously before the war and even expand each individual characters backstory (for example a discord channel with in depth character backstory) and other minor RP details (descriptions, clothes etc.)

Also I want to get this out of the way right now this general consensus that people treat the word "cartels" as one faction as being dumb, there were numerous cartels with numerous members with different personalities and diplomacy, but because, I presume, you were never apart of a cartel or have never been long enough in a cartel to see that everyone was different this is just your speculation it is the furthest thing from the truth and I can assure you I know these facts first hand as I dealt with every single one of those factions as I was HC. Also just assuming all the cartels were cheating is just dumb as at least to my knowledge there were only 2 guys cheating that ended up being permabanned as they should, I legit dont see the purpose to cheat in a video game especially in fucking GMOD. And what if I was in the cartels there are right now high ranking ex cartel members in Italian faction just this general biasness against cartels with no backing behind it bothers tf out of me.

And referring to "recreating the bad past of cartels" you mean just the just one page in the long history of the Cartels aka the war. Everyone remembers the war but no one remembers how it was before. And also "you should show people that you are willing to change and play without an official property and racket before hand and demonstrate RP." is essentially civilian RP and not surprised you'd suggest this I mean i specifically remember you walking into a bunch of establishments (including ITALIAN ones) and mrdming everyone inside of them and than after getting permabaned for mrdm and minging. I STILL have the clip of you and Rae MRDMING the Principato place if you want it ofcourse.

[Michael Mikvik]

Who will be the Faction Leader? I feel like, that's a big part of a faction and you really can't judge something based on a bit of backstory. I must understand who's going to be possibly leading this, especially since all Cartels are not welcomed in the eyes of the "Italians" and probably half of the server.

The leader is going to be Tirador you might not remember him but he's been around since the days of Typhon, which was god knows how long ago. He has previous experience from being high command in the Cali Cartel on MP and assuming the role of Consig in Norte in the early days of Diverge. Most of the high command is built from people like that with experience expanding over a couple years now so we do feel like we have the capacity to run a faction effectively. And yea i know most of the "Italians" have a general disliking of cartels, and from what I've seen some people don't even know why they hate the cartels and that's more a phenomenon in newer players, rather than the old timers of the servers that are aquainted with the reason behind the war and the beef.  But that hate is generally built from the time before and after the war 5 months ago and that's in the past and all we want is to live in the present and bring back a peace of a different type of RP to the table especially since the server has gained a bigger amount of players and we want them to experience a more diverse community.

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I like it when people have the balls to make non-Italian factions because you are playing a losing game. But the problem with factions who do this is that they are all very and I mean very low rates of succession. They are usually ran by people who couldn't make it in an italian faction 90% of the time and then you have the 10% which is mostly retards, besides maybe 2% like Flanagan. If you are going to create this faction will you put the same effort Italian Factions do into creating backstory and doing roleplay? There is a italian handbook of phrases etc.

Another thing that bothers me is that you were in the original cartels (shit factions btw) where they cheated and just were all one big faction spread across alts and knew about it. You shouldn't be able to just log back in and recreate the bad past of Cartel, you should show people that you are willing to change and play without an official property and racket before hand and demonstrate RP.

So for now, -1.

You can find a couple answers to your questions in the response I wrote to scar, but yea we're going to focus more into RP say a mexican handbook why not that's something we can do, but main thing I personally want to focus on is player lead events like boxing/fighting events, drag racing and so on which I used to hold previously before the war and even expand each individual characters backstory (for example a discord channel with in depth character backstory) and other minor RP details (descriptions, clothes etc.)

Also I want to get this out of the way right now this general consensus that people treat the word "cartels" as one faction as being dumb, there were numerous cartels with numerous members with different personalities and diplomacy, but because, I presume, you were never apart of a cartel or have never been long enough in a cartel to see that everyone was different this is just your speculation it is the furthest thing from the truth and I can assure you I know these facts first hand as I dealt with every single one of those factions as I was HC. Also just assuming all the cartels were cheating is just dumb as at least to my knowledge there were only 2 guys cheating that ended up being permabanned as they should, I legit dont see the purpose to cheat in a video game especially in fucking GMOD. And what if I was in the cartels there are right now high ranking ex cartel members in Italian faction just this general biasness against cartels with no backing behind it bothers tf out of me.

And referring to "recreating the bad past of cartels" you mean just the just one page in the long history of the Cartels aka the war. Everyone remembers the war but no one remembers how it was before. And also "you should show people that you are willing to change and play without an official property and racket before hand and demonstrate RP." is essentially civilian RP and not surprised you'd suggest this I mean i specifically remember you walking into a bunch of establishments (including ITALIAN ones) and mrdming everyone inside of them and than after getting permabaned for mrdm and minging. I STILL have the clip of you and Rae MRDMING the Principato place if you want it ofcourse.

For starters we absolutely minged, and appealed over a year ago now. We did it in a careless way with no intent to rp we did not do it like the cartels where you were there for a serious purpose but failed to roleplay. The cartels wasn't good before the war either. It was just a string of factions with alt accounts, don't lie to me the only factions with individuality was Bonito's when he lead it & KTS, the rest were just clones. You had alts in every faction listed btw and you can't deny that either because in war they were used and exposed. You had no individuality in your factions, it was just a shittier Italian commission. I was around as a faction leader when Manuel started his faction originally and it was always mass recruiting minges and turning them to money tycoons.

I am not a diehard italian rper, I have done many other rps including a cartel it's just that it was a long long long time ago when I did it. I am not even saying factions on the server right now are any good either, a majority of italians have become what they hated originally. Just a money tycoon faction, so I mean respectfully I get your point, I do. I am not telling you not to try, I am simply trying to give you advice and a decently non-biased opinion even though I play an italian faction. If you want to get any advice in private hmu Mikvik#1443 I have a good amount of experience running factions and I can be more frank with you in there, but I will leave this off with telling you not to bring back old cartel members. Make something new. I hope you realize why people don't want cartels in general and fix those points people make because you can't deny it's validity.

[UnDragonized]

+1 we need diversity

[gorllla]

+1 Great back story

[OmegaCTM168]

+1 man has a lot of experience in leadership

[TsumMini213]

Why are niggas saying Viva Colombia on a Mexican cartel application???

[Infamy]

-1
First and foremost, the people leading the faction are in no way capable to even lead a faction. In Costa, they went completely inactive and nearly killed the faction off. To the point Bonito & Romullus asked Miami Leadership to take over. I then left my perfectly good Cuban Cartel in Miami to then come to Southside and takeover Costa. I got it to its point where I left and it was active and gave it to Claymore when he finally had time to come back and play. 

Overall terrible leadership, just attempting to find a slip in the crack to go and bring back a dead empire.